Podcast Transcript
Brain Fitness Podcast with Jason Earle of Got Mold
Fri, Dec 22, 2023 1:02PM 1:10:04
SUMMARY KEYWORDS
mold, people, brain, building, remediation, day, problem, work, home, find, vocs, air, symptoms, podcast, musty smell, mycotoxins, toxins, big, produces, kit
SPEAKERS
Patrick Porter, Jason Earle
Patrick Porter 00:00
P
Getting this, I didn’t see anything. I mean, we’re going to have a conversation, obviously, you’re going to lead it. I’m going to ask questions about your product and how we can what molds doing to people and things like that they hidden invaders. But do you have anything that you’re going to promote to people? Is there any way they can? What are they gonna do afterwards? Is there an action step that I can reinforce during the podcast?
Jason Earle 00:23
J
For sure. Yeah, so we actually might, I was just checking on it myself. We have a welcome page that we put together for a podcast and it’s got mold.com in this case, slash brain tap. And it’s not live yet which is unusual, but it will be live in probably by the end of the day. And there you’ll have a copy of our ebook, and as well as a discount code brain tap 10 For our eat for our test kits. And of course, that’s, you know, just a way for them to stay in touch. So,
Patrick Porter 00:57
P
so what I’ll do is I’ll ask you about that. How can people learn more toward the end of it, maybe even in the middle just to give it a couple of shout outs, and then we’ll put all that in the show notes, you know, anything, anything that you think would be good for us to put in the show notes.
Just get it to me and then Heidi, my assistant will put it together and we’ll get this to Michael T my social guy he’ll cut it up into little pieces to in many reels so that we can share it across our different social media platforms and share it with you as well. Perfect, perfect.
Jason Earle 01:30
J
Well, you know, I’ve seen you, we weren’t a four amp. I wasn’t able ran across two ships
Well, you know, I’ve seen you, we weren’t a four amp. I wasn’t able ran across two ships passing in the night. But I, but I’ve, you know, I’ve been at, you know, we’ve been at the same conferences for the last two years.
Patrick Porter 01:42
P
Yeah,
Jason Earle 01:43
J
I think this is the first time we’ve really had a chance to talk so I’m looking forward to it. Yeah.
Patrick Porter 01:47
P
This would be good. Yeah, so it’s really we don’t mind you can I mean, there’s no taboos you could sell do whatever we want to help people with mold. So I’m going to give you it’s going to be kind of your show. Really. I’m going to I’m going to guide you I’m going to kind of freaking the more we can maybe upfront talk about how mold affects the brain which you know, it’s a lot you know, that’s the main that’s the main reason people of course are doing breakout, but it’s everywhere.
I mean, it’s affecting every cell. So but I mean, if we can kind of tell you about that. And I kind of use an example that I might bring up during the show that people basically their subconscious is good at screening out things that are bad for you, because we don’t take action on them and just we start to live with them. And we want to bring awareness to that and that’s why they want to buy that kit. Because they might be sitting in you know, especially I mean, you’re gonna say all this because I’ve heard you speak before but I just want to just kind of reinforce that. We don’t mind you.
This isn’t like you can’t sell in other words, and we want them to take advantage of what you have. We want them to get the mold kit. We want them to get help, because so many people don’t realize that they’re living in this, like you say the hidden invaders and things like that that they have in their homes. And then I guess you’re going to, we’ll just kind of go from there and see if we can keep it to anywhere between you know, 3545 minutes and then if it gets it’s getting to the end or we’re getting close to the the when I think we need to wrap it up.
I usually will say what have I forgot to ask you, or what do you want to reinforce? You know, and then that way you have you can say whatever you need to say sometimes it’ll go on because if you if you trigger another question, I’ll keep going. You know, it’s there’s no rules here. You know, I’m just trying to let you know that. I want you to share everything you can or everything you feel comfortable sharing and things of that nature. Okay.
Jason Earle 03:37
J
Yeah, you know, I tend not to sell because I only because I’m a salesman. So like the more I sell, the more obvious you know, I’ve been selling so my thing is if I can get people’s awareness up, that’s then I’ve done my job and then we’re visible to them and they know we exist and when they need us, we’re here and so but my whole thing is really about you know, being relevant to your audience and your show. And that because the thing about mold is that it’s relevant to everyone. You know, we all live in buildings and breathe air and we’re all living the same kinds of buildings, which is what makes this such an issue. So, right.
Patrick Porter 04:08
P
Okay, so I’m gonna go we’re gonna have a little pause. On here. We’ll just get started. And I’m gonna ask you to basically the beginning here to tell us how you got into this field. Because, you know, I don’t think too many people say this when they’re five or six years old. They want to get into the mold business. But you know, let’s see where we’re at. So there so we’ll put a little pause on here. I’ll come back and I’ll introduce the show. I’ll let me bring you on. And then you’re going to tell us a little bit about yourself. We just start the conversation and we’ll go from there.
Jason Earle 04:36
J
Sure thing Yeah, it’s kind of a large arc. So what I’ll do is I’ll give you kind of the story about how I got to where I am today, and then you can go back and unpack whatever you think is appropriate. That’s
Patrick Porter 04:45
P
awesome. Yeah. Cool. Hello, welcome back to the brain fitness podcast. I’m your host, Dr. Patrick Porter. And today we have a very special guest. Someone we’ve been speaking on the same stages for years, I finally cornered him and said, Hey, we need to get you on the show and tell the brain tap nation about mold and how it’s affecting the brain, but it’s really affecting every part of the body and he’s going to talk today about hidden invaders, understanding mold, and maybe even talk a little bit about parasites and things of that nature that’s going on in the body.
But really, we’re talking about the name of your business has got mold because people don’t even realize that right? So Jason Earl, once you tell us a little bit about yourself, what got you into this business because I know as a child, you’re laying in bed you said Man, I want to get into the mold business. So tell us a little bit about what got you started in in how you’re you’re impacting people’s health in ways that they can’t even imagine because they don’t even know it’s happening. You know, they’re going all over the world trying to get fixed. They go back to their home and they’re sitting in mold. So tell us a little bit about that.
Jason Earle 05:49
J
Well, first of all, thank you very much for having me and indeed it’s been a lot of fun being at the conferences with you and and I’ve really enjoyed your message. It’s been a real honor. And it’s been it’s a pleasure to be here. So thank you. So yes, my story actually does, interestingly, start when I was about four years old, I didn’t wake up one day and say that I want to be in the mold business. But wake up one day and I was having a hard time breathing. I’d lost a lot of weight over a three week period and my parents had been growing increasingly concerned.
And so they went to the pediatrician with me and he said, you know, you really need to go to the hospital. This looks pretty serious. And so we ended up at Children’s Hospital Philadelphia,
which is a renowned respiratory clinic, and the initial diagnosis based upon the symptoms I was presenting with and my family history was cystic fibrosis. So back then that was a death sentence. And my father lost four of his cousins to CF before the age of 14. So that was their worst nightmare coming true. So thankfully, six weeks later, they got a second opinion and it turns out I don’t have CF didn’t FCF evidenced by the fact that I’m here 47 years old. Rather, what I had was asthma compounded by pneumonia. And when they tested me for allergies, I was positive for every single thing that they tested me for. So it was grass wheat, corn, eggs, dogs, cats, even cotton, so my clothes wear itchy, my whole childhood. And when I was about 12 years old, my folks split up, which was good for everyone involved.
And so I moved out of that, that that old farmhouse and suddenly all my symptoms went away. I never had to use an inhaler again and I’m no longer allergic to anything. And so it was one of those things that they just chalked up to spontaneous adolescent remission, which is a technical term, we have no idea what the hell happened. And, and so, so I just moved on with my life. My grandfather had grown out of his asthma. So it was just one of those things and fast forward a couple of years later, my mother passed away suddenly, by suicide, actually, which is irrelevant to the story. And then a year after that, I was diagnosed with Lyme disease.
And so I missed a lot of school and so I was essentially forced to drop out and I ended up taking full time hours at the gas station to save money. To going to get my GED and start college a year early. But in usually that’s where the stories end, but this is this is where the story kind of began. I ended up getting recruited by a stockbroker who worked on Wall Street and I he came to the gas station all the time and so he he recruited me to come be a stockbroker trainee and so at 16 years old, I started working on Wall Street. A year later, I ended up with my stockbrokers license, which unknowingly made me the youngest licensed stockbroker in history with a world record total fairytale. I was, I was that was not my track I was on and I did that for nine years.
And towards the end, I became frustrated with the fact that I really wasn’t I wasn’t scratching at the bench that my mother had really cultivated within me which is to contribute to the greater good. And she was she was she she gave to a fault, quite frankly. And so so one day I woke up and I wasn’t having fun anymore. I decided to go on walkabout and so I went traveling and while I was away, I walked away from from Wall Street, completely sold, sold on my stuff and put 20 pounds of necessary items in a backpack. And while I was away, I was reading a story in a local newspaper in Hawaii, about a guy who’d gotten sick from the hotel where he was an employee.
And he blamed them all in the building. He developed adult onset asthma, and all these allergies that he’d never had before. And it was like my life in reverse. So I became fascinated with this and I so I called my father and I said, Do you think we had a mold problem that I’ll try and road and he just laughed he said of course with mushrooms in the basement. Why do you ask? Typical 70 parent right? And so, so I said, What do you think that’s what made me sick? And he said, Well, I certainly couldn’t help. And you know, looking back at it now we had a damp, musty basement and whenever it rained, the water came through it and I still remember that that heavy feeling when I was down in the basement. And I always felt better when I was outside.
So the piece of the puzzle really came together for me in that instant, you know, it really was one of those aha moments and I became fascinated with the idea that the buildings we live in work and can make you sick. It’s just a simple idea. And it’s not news to anybody, most people these days, but back then that was 21 years ago, kind of hard to believe. And so I ended up coming coming to this space from a position of really significant curiosity more than anything else.
And so I took a job working for a mold remediation company in the sales side and quickly saw that, that there they were really not leaving houses as healthy as they should and ended up deciding to go into the assessment side. Knowing that one day the industry would be sort of bifurcated between assessment and remediation. And that’s where I really got my education. I ended up stumbling across the use of mold sniffing dogs Believe it or not, which is just brilliant enough to make to seem crazy.
But we ended but but the my dog Oreo ended up teaching me where mold hides. And so we ended up with just an incredible business of healing sick homes, which ended up on lots and lots of national TV. But over the years, I became frustrated with the fact that that the people who really needed us the most couldn’t afford assessments, professional assessments, which can be 1000 $2,000 or more. So in recent years, we’ve worked hard to democratize the healthy home through the development of an at home test kit, which we launched about a year and a half ago@gmail.com So that brings us to where we are today.
Patrick Porter 11:21
P
Right? In you’ve got a special promotion for brain tattoo for that. So we’re going to be talking about that today. So in the show notes will be links. You can get a discount on that. Can you tell us just a little bit about that since you brought it up? I don’t want people to be thinking, I don’t want to be I mean we want to be they want to go there now. I’m just kind of looking at it and we’re gonna we’re gonna break down what mold is what it does to your brain. What does to your body? I mean, you already said a lot of people out there it seems like everybody is allergic to everything today. So could be. This could be part of the equation but tell us a little bit about what they’re gonna get when they go to your website. And how was
Jason Earle 11:54
J
it Yeah, so so we we put together a welcome page for your for your listeners@hotmail.com slash brain tap. And there you’ll find an e book, which is filled with inspection checklists and FAQs about mold so it’s really useful for anyone who’s new in their in their mold awareness journey. And there’s also a coupon out there for anyone who’s interested in or test kits, but so the reason that we created the kit and we’ll get into the importance of mold, and why why testing is so important and also why it’s so difficult to navigate. But, but if you wanted to have your house tested for mold right now, you presumably hire a professional and again, the budget can be an issue for a lot of people.
And if you’re renting it’s almost impossible because sometimes the landlord won’t even let you or it can even eclipse the cost of your rent. So it’s that for those reasons, we decided to create an affordable at home kit. So if you wanted to have a professional come over and they did an inspection at the end of the inspection, they would have identified areas of concern and they will come up with a sampling or a testing strategy. And usually they’ll come out with an air sampling pump and air sampling cassettes known as spore traps. And they’ll they’ll test the air and those those tests are expensive and and then you know there’s lots of potential concerns about conflicts of interest with professional inspectors.
So what we did is we created a NAT home, that same exact method that professionals use, but but in a much more consumer friendly way. So for those of us who are watching, I’m holding an air sampling pump this duplicate professional pump exactly $1,000 calibrated device. We make ours for a lot less obviously and interfaces with these cassettes, which are the industry standard test devices, again called spore traps and they they effects onto the pump, which runs for five minutes in each area that you want to sample.
There’s an outside sample, which is where we actually understand what’s going on in your in your environment in the area where you live, and then you send them back to us in a prepaid return mailer kind of like 23andme but for mold, right so we send you a sample collection kit and then you send it in in a prepaid mailer. And then within three business days of the lab, they send the data through our system and then you get a beautifully formatted report which tells you the types of mold found in what concentrations as well as background debris and some other other important indicators. About indoor air quality, as well as action steps.
So how to find an inspector how to find remediate, you’re in your area. We have a very strict no conflict of interest policy, so we have nothing else to sell. We’re here to provide knowledge and tools to help people make better decisions about the air they breathe. But the biggest problem with mold, which is really why we’ve created it is that quite frankly, testing is cost prohibitive for most people. And so this is not a replacement for a professional inspection. I’m gonna make that clear.
This is a cost effective first step, right. This is a way for people who are who are you know, somewhere between the $20 test kits at Home Depot that don’t work and the $2,000 $1,000 inspections, there’s a big big chasm there. And so what we wanted to do is give people a stepping stone so they could raise awareness or raise their own awareness about this and then possibly use this as leverage to be able to affect change, you know, engage a partner who’s maybe a little bit reluctant or skeptical or maybe a landlord or a boss or someone else who’s who they need to have sort of buy in or solidarity with as they begin this process of recapturing their, their health and peace of mind.
Patrick Porter 15:12
P
Yeah, I know there’s a lot of people think well, my house hasn’t been flooded. I don’t think I got mold. You know, all these things. What What would you say to somebody about that? I mean, what are the type typical case studies you see where people get the test kit and they find out hey, wow, I, I don’t I can’t believe I got mold, but I got bold and then they were able to remediate it or move or whatever they needed to do what Tell me Tell us from the beginning how that all works.
Jason Earle 15:40
J
Well. So you know, at its essence, mold is a moisture problem, right? A mold mold problem is a moisture problem. And so but those moisture problems aren’t always so obvious. They’re not always due to a direct flood or an obvious leak. You can have just ambient high humidity for any for just a few days and end up with a mold problem. In fact, by the time you see mold, it’s already been growing for quite some time. So what I always say is if you see something, smell something or feel something, do something, and so what we’re looking for, it’s not always visible mold, it’s actually the signs of moisture.
That’s the big the big clue. And so that’s you know, staining discolorations obviously visible mold, but it blistering paint, water bugs, even spider webs. Those are the first clues that you’ve got an imbalance that can lead to mold growth. And it’s important to recognize those things quickly because it only takes 24 to 48 hours for mold to grow. And then if you smell something, that’s a big deal, too, because that’s the clear indication that mold is actually growing and that’s the metabolism producing that musty smell. And then of course, if you feel something and those are the symptoms that tend to be sort of transient that they get better when you leave the house.
So a lot of homes don’t have the outward manifestation of a flood or a leak. Like I said, some really significant you know, observable phenomenon that would be like, Okay, you have a problem. But those slight clues can often be the things that you need in order for you to cobble together sort of a hypothesis that we may have something that we need to attend to here,
Patrick Porter 17:12
P
right. When some besides the fact that like what happened with you with the allergies and things, what are some of the things that somebody sitting there that maybe has tried things, what are some of the things that somebody sitting there that maybe has tried everything to get rid of some kind of symptoms they have what are some of the symptoms that might be showing up? Especially we a lot of people call it actually mold brain, you know, that you hear about all the time. So tell us a little bit about that. Yeah,
Jason Earle 17:35
J
it’s actually really fascinating because I think most people who are sort of new this think about mold is sort of this upper respiratory thing mostly right sneezing, it you know, asthma, you know, coughing, dermal reactions, you know, hives and things like that alert, upper, upper respiratory and allergic. But most mold related illness actually presents as as cognitive impairment, brain fog, really or mold brain, as you say. And that’s actually really the the the mechanism behind that is poorly understood. But it looks like the data that’s emerging is showing that the musty smell itself is actually probably the operative mechanism at the exposure to the musty smell, which are VOCs.
So anyone who’s familiar with volatile organic compounds, manmade VOCs are our buildings are riddled with them from the paints and finishes and and personal care products and cleaning products that we use in our very tight buildings. But microbes, mold and bacteria when they’re growing, also produce VOCs. And those are essentially if you look at them closely, they look a lot like industrial solvents. And so we know that some VOCs like alcohol, create, you know, cognitive impairment, and so breathing VOCs will also do the same thing and you know, we breathe 13 to 15 times a minute, which comes out to 20,000 times a day. And so you have to look at those 20,000 breaths as doses and you have to look at them as cumulative because they are right we are we are not just breathing air, we’re actually consuming it. You know, my my father used to say buy a filter or be a filter.
And I love that because that’s essentially what we are. And so so those VOCs can be from the manmade side of things as well. And the microbial side can can really do a doozy on your on your immune system, as well as your nervous system and your cognition. And, and so the other thing that happens a lot with mold, exposure is inflammation, which of course also can have an impact on your on your brain and on cognition. Right. So it’s mold really affects you in almost every single way. It’s it’s it the mycotoxins are multi system, the the VOCs are multi system. And then of course, you know, the spores themselves can can trigger a whole cascade of of responses to So in essence, there’s really no area of health that mold and indoor air quality. Don’t touch it. I like to say that the mold is the great interrupter.
So the immune system is like a juggler, it can juggle 1000s of processes, and with it with great elegance and mold is like a guy with throwing baseballs at the juggler. He’s going to have to make a decision here or she is going to am I going to defend myself from this evolutionary threat? Or am I going to keep these processes going and and and my experience has been that the immune system drops the balls to protect the it drops the basic processes in order to protect itself from the mold. And until that mold gets corrected most of those processes don’t get back up. Back up to speed very easily.
Patrick Porter 20:43
P
So most people don’t realize that that all odor has masked if you can smell it, there’s a mass coming in and so obviously your body is has to process that like you’re saying in the bed scary if you live next to a paper mill or something, you know, people don’t realize that. So tell us a little bit about like a case study. Let’s say that I’m having some issues. I want to I want to get this test kit. I bring it to my home. How easy is it to implement and you said it takes two to three days. Once we return it back to you to get the information back. Tell me about the process. Sure. So
Jason Earle 21:18
J
so when you order a kit, all shipping is included. And so you’ll generally speaking, get the kit within a couple of days. We encourage people to close up their building for two or three days. Because you don’t want to have you don’t want to test the outdoor you want to test the outdoor air outside you don’t want to test the outdoor inside. So we want to make sure that windows and doors are closed for a couple of days so you get an accurate reading. Ideally, you follow the ebook which gives you the inspection process. So you go through your home and look for areas of concern.
You’re going to focus on places where you have symptoms where there’s been a history of water damage or odors. So you’re looking for musty smells, you’re looking for places where there’s been any sort of dampness or any indication of dampness and then of course where there’s any any known mold. you’ll collect the outdoor air sample first. And again that’s important as a reference or a baseline because molds are different from time to time from minute to minute, quite frankly outside and also from from climate to climate. And then you’ll test in the areas that you’ve identified during that initial walkthrough. Each sample again is five minutes. So we saw one, two and three root kits. So the maximum you’d be really doing the sampling itself is about 20 minutes.
You put everything back in the prepaid mailer, and then you ship it off. Now the the when you get the report, we’re looking for any indication of high of microbial diversity. So in other words, we’re looking for different kinds of molds and different concentrations than what we find outside because that’s clearly indicative of mold growth in the building. So in terms of case studies, in terms of the kinds of people that typically use this obviously anybody’s presenting with symptoms, but a lot of people do this for peace of mind. You know, we have a lot of expectant moms that are using our kit that are sort of test their nest. We’ve got obviously people that are have, you know, acute concerns about you know, asthma, COPD, you know, significant upper respiratory, but but the vast majority of people who are doing this have a slight inclination they’ve got like a sneaking suspicion that something is going on.
And usually what’s happening is a couple of people are presenting with some symptoms in the home, and it’s usually one sort of more the most sensitive person who’s got the most significant issues. But what’s interesting is that you may have five people living in a house and they all have five different symptom profiles. And and some of the most common ones are sort of an exacerbation of, of actually an autoimmune disorder that may not have been an issue before right. Some things percolate to the to the to the surface that that that seemed new or disconcerting. So the in terms of the way that data is then interpreted. What we’re looking for is obviously any sort of imbalance we’re going to hone in on the source of the moisture. So if in fact there is anything that’s unusual, the second step there is to identify where the moisture is coming from, whether it’s from a leak or whether it’s from high humidity or a combination thereof. And then if that’s beyond your ability to to identify yourself, that’s when we generally recommend that you engage the service of a professional to help do that diagnostic again, the test kits not designed to be a replacement for it. It’s designed to be able to give you a safe and affordable way to take that to take that first step, gather some information and be able to plan out a plan out your approach. I
Patrick Porter 24:48
P
know on your website, got mold.com You can go there you have a learning center. They have a
lot of different information in there. Some of the things that come to mind when I went there and kind of did some research just on my own because we always have people having problems like you really amaze me you have something there about Lyme disease and mold. So tell me a little bit about what mold does too. If somebody already has maybe some kind of immune deficiency. What’s happening in their body at that point?
Jason Earle 25:18
J
Well, you know, the relationship between Lyme and mold is also somewhat poorly understood accept it, but they’ve the general belief around this is that it has to do with an overload of bio toxins in the body and certain people have a difficulty releasing those toxins. There’s a genetic mutation MTHFR mutation that may affect as much as 25% of the population that that inhibits this detoxification process. And so and there’s also some some, some research pointing to the idea of antibiotics which are by the way, mycotoxins or endotoxins in most cases, very concentrated pills of that are produced by these microbes, that they may be triggering a sensitivity to mold as well.
But what happens is, blind patients tend to have a disproportionately high sensitivity to mold exposure, and also 10 People with chronic mold exposure and mold sickness tend to end up with chronic Lyme symptoms if they have Lyme. And so it’s it’s sort of a Venn diagram, if you will, and so, so it’s it who knows why these things tend to magnetically attract each other. It certainly feels that way, especially when you talk to the limeys in the oldies.
They kind of feel as if they’re being targeted. But But what it comes down to is the this sort of overload, or what people call it allostatic load this toxin load that builds up within within us and then and then mold or the lime tends to be the straw that breaks the camel’s back. And so until you get out of that moldy environment, which is the thing you can control in that and in that scenario that get until you get to a clean environment. What happens is people just generally don’t get much better. This tends to really bog them down. And the irony of it is that these this combination of symptoms, or this combination of of, of afflictions, tends to keep people in their home and in the very place that’s making them sick. So it takes an extraordinary amount of effort to be able to get out of that environment to find a place where they can allow their body to find equilibrium.
And then and then be able to hopefully be processed these things in a in a way that doesn’t require professional intervention. But oftentimes, it takes the care of a functional practitioner functional medical practitioner who can help coax those toxins out of the body. But in all cases, the key element to this is the people until they get their environment straight. And I would also argue their diet straight because there’s the data around mycotoxins in food is is very strong, up to 60 to 80% of imported grains are contaminated with mycotoxins and conventional meats and dairy are also loaded with mycotoxins because these animals are fed moldy grains.
So if you really were to look at it, you’d say you gotta get your air and your food straight. And then I would also say attitude because there’s a lot of fear around this and I’ve also never seen anybody get better when they’re when they’re really scared about the subject, right? So there’s air, food and attitude. And and those things are each one of them is sort of a heavy lift. But but that’s sort of the path that I’ve seen for the Lyme and mold patients. This tends to work. Yeah,
Patrick Porter 28:55
P
one of the things in your learning site and there’s a lot of information there you need to go to God mold.com Check out their, their learning center, but you had an article in there that I thought was pretty amazing because a lot of people think well, I’m going to go to the store, I’m going to get some some kind of biocide. I’m going to go get something to kill this mold off. And you actually have an article in there that says say no to this. Tell me.
You know, there are a lot of neat freaks out there people who are maybe a little scared of mold and there may be contaminating their environment by trying to clean it. So tell us a little bit about that. And what’s the process because you know, there’s always those people out there think they have a better way because the they can go buy the mold killer or whatever it is, you know, the different things and you have a whole article about it. So tell us maybe summarize that for us here. Yeah, so
Jason Earle 29:41
J
mold remediation, the definition is remedy, which means to actually fix or to cure. And so really the air in Latin is where remediation come from. And the cure to mold remediate the cure to mold is actually moisture control. So the first step is to fix the moisture always, always, always otherwise. You’re just going to be it’s like you got to turn off the water before you start mopping up the floor. And so So that’s first and then remediation.
According to the industry standard and best practices means to remove the affected building materials and then to clean the affected surfaces in the air in the areas where where the mold is identified. So killing mold actually doesn’t do anything except for to add a step and to add a toxin to the environment. Even if you’re using quote unquote natural killer. You’re still leaving behind dead mold and dead mold is still allergenic and potentially toxic genic and so the purpose of remediation is to actually reduce the fungal load to an acceptable level, not to destroy it or kill it. So anytime you see air purifiers or air cleaners that have killed claims, those are also not recommended.
Anytime you see anything where they’re talking about they’re just going to kill or annihilators zap or whatever they there’s all these shortcuts around mold, and that’s why they’re made is because they’re very lucrative, these shortcuts, but they’re legally ineffective. And what’s interesting also is that if you if the mold is a toxic toxigenic mold, which means that it produces these very potent chemical toxins that it uses to inhibit the growth of other microbes in its area, right, so these are very competitive organisms. If you spray a mold killer onto one of the toxic species, the data on this is fascinating.
It produces more toxins, it fights back. So if you’re really worried about mold, the last thing you want to do is try to fight it with you know, it’s got better chemicals, it’s got a lot more time on its hands and it’s been doing this for a while. So so and the other thing is that a lot of these chemicals that are being used, even again, even the natural ones, there’s one that’s made with thyme oil, which smells just like we had imagined sounds like time the earth it leaves behind them often leave behind residues. Some of them are hormone modulators. But some of them have a very potent odor that does not go away.
And so I’ve had homes that get remediated where the mold has been removed, but the lingering odor from the remediation chemicals actually makes the home unlivable. So they just went from out of the frying pan into the fire, so, so there’s really no need to kill mold. There’s no need to use any sort of chemicals during remediation. It’s very counterintuitive. It’s exactly the opposite of what you find in 99% of your web searches. But this is what this is. This is how it’s been articulated in the industry standard and best practices and it’s something that we adhere to very closely. It’s
Patrick Porter 32:30
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great. Well, that brings me up here when we look at how many times people listen to sessions on our app, which we have 2000 of them. Then in the top 10 is always sleep. Sleep seems to be a big issue. And you wrote a whole article about hey, what’s going on in the bedroom, you know, with two thirds of the world not sleeping well. It could be a mold problem. So tell us a little bit about what your solution is for helping people sleep better you have hope and if they want to read the whole article, of course, it’s there on your website, but I I thought that was a good piece of information as well. So maybe you can share some of that with the listeners. Yeah,
Jason Earle 33:03
J
no, thank you. So the the funny thing about mold symptoms is that it affects the entire spectrum. So we have people who can’t sleep because of mold exposure. They’re just they experiencing tremendous insomnia. Night terrors. This is what happens to me if I go to a moldy hotel. It that must be a there’s a musty smell. I have the worst nightmares all night. And it’s just, it’s unbelievable. There’s other people that can’t get out of bed. They can’t get enough sleep. So it’s it’s the entire spectrum. And so so we have an entire sort of list of of suggested recommendations for how to have a healthy bedroom.
Of course, you want to make sure that you’re controlling moisture mold as a moisture problem. So you want to keep your humidity in the safe zone between 40 and 60%. That means you’re going to get digital humidity gauges and keep them there. So that also means that you’re not humidifying a room without knowing it, right? A lot of people humidify just because it’s wintertime or because they think it’s dry, but you really shouldn’t modify what you don’t quantify.
So you shouldn’t be dehumidifying or humidifying unless you actually know what’s going on. The only thing that’s really really helpful for a healthy bedroom is getting a great air purifier. And again, not one that’s got killed claims or zaps or destroys molds, or or bacteria or anything like that. What you want is a really great filter which means the fan is inside and blows air through a filter air through medium. And so the most important qualities is that they have to either be HEPA or ULPA. And so High Efficiency Particulate Ressence which is 99 and three quarters percent of all particles and then all goes to point one microns. So very, very small, like atmospheric dust. So the filtration that takes up the particles that’s first and then you also want to make sure that you have enough carbon in the filters. So there’s there’s the particle filter and then there’s the carbon the carbon takes out the VOCs it takes out odors and gases, manmade and microbial and so units that we really like a lot I love mattify air.
I love air doctor and I love Jasper. Those three units those three companies produce air filters that have plenty of carbon and that are very effective at removing particles. And then you also end up with you know, the benefit of having a little bit of white noise in the bedroom, which tends to be useful for people that are having sleep issues. And of course, you know, I don’t need to tell anyone who’s listening to your podcast, you got to make sure it’s nice and dark. You want to get that get that you know, make sure your lightest is taken care of but the most important thing also I would say is to minimize carpet in the bedroom. Everyone wants to have a warm you know the warm cozy, but but carpet harbors dust and dust and moisture together is what produces dust mites which are the enemy of good sleep as well as as well. As the potential for mold growth. That’s
Patrick Porter 36:01
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awesome. Yeah, there’s they say we have a mental health tsunami after what happened in 2020. You know, they’re scaring everybody stressing everybody out. Everybody’s got problems. But you have some research on your site where even Brown University did some research back in 2007. I thought that was very interesting. But there’s a lot of research linking mold to these depressive states and mental health. Tell us a little bit about because this is all brain stuff, right? I mean, so what do you recommend on that if somebody’s having these kinds of issues?
Obviously, they’re gonna go, they’re gonna go to got mold.com forward slash brain tap, hopefully pick up that kit learned do some education, but what else do they need to do so that they can I mean, they need to check that off the list because it could be something I mean, I know so many people that have traveled everywhere and then they find out. They’re living in mold. You know, they they’re going to they’re taking prescription drugs and they’re not getting the help that they need and which you know, only 23% do anyway in the placebo effects.
40% plus people will still take them you know, so tell us a little bit about what to expect and why they would want to get their their bedroom checked or their even their home where they spend most of their living hours. And if you have your own business you can even do these kits in your business, right? I mean, it doesn’t have to be
Jason Earle 37:15
J
we allowed people to use them and we’ve a lot of teachers that use them in their schools because they can’t get the schools to do the testing. So, you know, they they they risk their their their their job, quite frankly to do that. But you know, they’re also risking their lives teaching in a moldy, moldy school. So you know, I mentioned earlier that my mother took her own life when I was when I was a kid, and and that that was relevant. And so I didn’t, I didn’t start to put the pieces of the puzzle together until the 2008 study which is what the Brown University save you mentioned, which they had 6000 participants and they asked them essentially, do you have a mold or moisture problem of significance? And then also how are you feeling that kind of a quality of life questionnaire with them.
And they found a very strong correlation between mold and dampness indoors and depression. And they stopped short of being able to say that there was a causal relationship because that wasn’t the purpose of the study. But they did propose that there might be some disempowerment there, right? Somebody who knows a mold problem have been able to fix it, that’s pretty that’s pretty disempowering, but then they also pose the question, you know, is there a causal link? Is there a chemical or biological relationship? 2015 I became friends with Dr. John Bennett, who is a fungal geneticist at Rutgers University. And she had developed her own. She had had her own mold related illness because she had a house down in New Orleans that got flooded during Katrina.
And she walked into this into this this flood stricken home which she called the fungal utopia, wearing a respirator, just an n95 respirator particle respirator, not one of them, not not a vapor mask, and she was hit with the musty smell so strongly that she ended up having to leave the building a few times to get to get some sort of air and then eventually just just abandon it and said, I’m not going to do this anymore. But she and she was so sickened by it, and so surprised by the fact that she had been so sickened by it, that she went back and began studying the musty smell. And she she, she started testing these really nifty fruit flies that actually fluoresce when they produce dopamine, which is kind of cool, and it’s amazing what you can buy online.
And she began testing the musty smell on these fruit flies and she found that they stopped producing dopamine, they stopped reproducing, they fly down and set it to the light which is their instinctive nature. They developed Parkinsonian like symptoms, which is pretty fascinating and locomotor disorder and eventually, in subsequent studies, they found that the musty smell develop that they developed mitochondrial damage. And so, she she has proposed that we now call these chemicals these the comprise the musty smell valla toxins instead of volatile organic compounds, because they’re neurotoxic.
And, and so the the data points that are starting to emerge from Brown University and Dr. John Bennett’s work are starting to show that you know, this epidemic of anxiety and depression as well as of course the brain fog and emotional dysregulation, you know, mold rage is a thing. You know, people people find themselves just like disproportionally reactive when they’re living in these environments, and the evidence points to exposure to the musty smell. So, you know, there’s three things you can do with an air quality problem. So what do you do? So first of all, source control, and that’s remediation, right? So that’s not always possible or practical. You know, budget can be a major issue.
You may not be in control of the building if you’re renting, but that’s the ideal situation source control or relocation, right, that’s number one. Number two, is you can dilute bringing fresh air from outside, right, you can open the windows and sort of ventilate this place out. And again, if it’s too hot, too cold or too humid that may not be possible or practical, but there are energy recovery, ventilators and Mechanical air exchange systems that can be installed called E RVs. And HRVs which can be really helpful for stuff like this. And also are useful if you’ve got a voc problem like in a new construction or a newly renovated building rehab that new house smell that by the way, that new house smell is toxic. people equate that to this.
This you know I’ve arrived when I smell bad, I smell autoimmune disease. I smell cancer. Now, and so the same thing with a new car smell, you know, we have we have positively associated this stuff like Pavlov’s dogs. And yet the reality is we have trained ourselves to attribute success to this and this is this is the wrong this is the wrong but stimulus and response. And so, so that the third thing you can do with an air quality problem is you can filter the air and filtering the air means having the right kind of filter that will take out the pollutants as I described earlier. Mold produces toxin the VOCs, which are gases, and it produces the spores which are particles on the spores.
You’ll find. If there’s toxigenic species you’ll find some toxins, but the mycotoxins themselves don’t become airborne as easily as people think. But the bottom line is a great air purifier is your best defense in terms of buying time and reducing exposure if you’ve got an air quality issue. The The thing is I must emphasize that it does not solve the problem. If you live in a moldy place. If there’s a mold or moisture problem significance and you’re using air purifiers, look at them as a way to buy time to get you to the point where you can actually do the remediation or relocate, not as a substitute for either one of those.
Patrick Porter 42:43
P
Hopefully, I haven’t scared you too much here today. But we want to know you want to know if something’s happening. And if you’re still confused, remember you can go to got mo.com forward slash brain tap you can download a free book How to find mold in your home. And I recommend you download that do a little research on your own and then order that kit. They’re not very expensive. I mean that’s I mean, geez in you have a discount coupon there that you can use the coupon with brain tap and you can get it get set up. See if that’s a problem you have. If you don’t have any problems, then you’re probably fine but a lot of times people will walk in their home if your nose starts running as soon as you get home.
That’s probably a pretty good sign you’re having an allergic reaction to your own home. You know a lot of people do that or if you have a lot of phlegm buildup in your around. You know, those are things your body is trying to tell you something and just suppressing it isn’t going to help. But we’re coming to the end of the podcast here today. This has been great information, Jason. But what if I forgot to ask you or what do you want to reinforce for Brincat nation to know about this question, do you got mold?
Jason Earle 43:49
J
Well, what I will say is this in closing. We live in a world where we have very little control over most things. If you’re honest and it’s hard for the type eight people here listening to this. But the reality is we have very little control and especially when you’re talking about the outdoor environment we all should be worried about but we can do very little about we can’t control China or Russia or India or any of these so that even if we do a great job here, it’s still this is this is a this is a big world here and there’s a lot of lot participants.
But the indoor environment is an area where you have an enormous potential for control. I mean it is it you have this this unique opportunity to control that the air you breathe and again, you know you 13 to 15 times a minute, 20,000 times a day comes out to about 2000 gallons, which is enough to fill a swimming pool. That’s about 30 pounds of air and if you do the math on that that’s that’s seven or eight times as much food or water that you drink. It’s your single largest environmental exposure, but it’s hiding in plain sight right and under the tip of your nose.
And so, so my suggestion is to is my purpose here is to raise awareness about this so that people begin seeing air as the as the as this crucial thing that it is this is our water, right? If we were fish, this is our water. And so, you know Oliver Wendell Holmes once said that a mind stretched by a new idea never regains its original dimensions. And so I hope everyone listening to this can’t unsee this. That’s my wish here today. Right?
Patrick Porter 45:15
P
Well, I think you’ve done your job. If you’ve listened this far to the podcast, they’re obviously gonna go to gut mold.com do some more research. It’s a problem out there bigger than you think it’s probably in more homes than anyone could imagine. Because they’re, they’re making our homes so they don’t breathe anymore. They’re sealed up so once it’s sealed in, it’s like just a it’s like one of those ant colonies where you watch the ant farm. You know, it’s just happening inside our house. And we need to do something about that to get our house breathing again or get them get them cleaned out.
I recommend that you get to gut mold.com For slash brain tap, do a little more research for yourself, especially if you’ve tried everything else and you’re having nagging problems, especially as it has to do with your immune system, which right now you don’t want to mess with. We want to have a really strong powerful immune system. And this is one of those things. It’s almost like having mercury fillings back in the day back in the day people thought that was just crazy. No but nothing’s going on. But now everyone knows, unless you are brainwashed by the dental community that mercury fillings if they start to leak obviously if they’re sealed off just like mold if it’s if it’s sealed and it’s not, you’re not breathing it in then you’re not gonna be a problem. But the problem is that mold doesn’t know how to stay at its place.
It’s gonna go wherever it wants to go, it’s gonna grow. So go to gmail.com forward slash brain tab, do some research, get the free book. I mean, do some reading do some research look around your home. And if it looks like you need that kit, you’ve got a discount coupon let’s get your home healthy. Get your brain healthy. In Jason, I want to thank you for spending some time here. I know that you’re a busy man out there making people aware of this problem I’m sure a lot of people when you’re walking around the events and you got the t shirt on it says got mold people are wondering what the heck is this guy talking about? You know, but But I appreciate what you’re doing because being in the neuroscience world, a lot of times it’s one of the first test we tell people they’ve got to go out and look because you want to get rid of the environmental toxins.
You can’t just think your way to being healthy if you’re constantly being bombarded because like you said the mold doesn’t care. It’s gonna be there’s spewing its spores and doing its gases. And it’s just, you know, it’s got evolution on its side and you’re sitting there trying to fight it when you don’t have to fight it. You can and I love the fact that you don’t have to kill it with all of these different other things that are that are also just as toxic, you know, or maybe even I didn’t know that they were more toxic when I read that and like they actually start to fight. I mean, these molds have an intelligence.
So you know, do the research. Find out if you’ve got mold in your home. If you have it in your home then you probably have it in your brain and we want to clear that out your body is designed to heal your brain is designed to heal, but we need to get rid of the environmental toxins in the same way you might look at EMF and protecting yourself or getting enough sunshine or grounding. This is a big factor. This is something you can do like Jason was saying you have control over the air in your own home. So again, Jason, thank you for being on the brain fitness podcast, bringing people hope and health through remediation and getting their mold put into place and getting their air air is important guys I mean we talked about all the time breathing techniques are part of brain DEP, but you don’t want to be doing breathing techniques in a mold filled environment. You’re just exacerbating the problem. So we want to get the brain healthy, get your body healthy, get your life healthy. So again, Jason, thanks for being on the on the podcast today.
Jason Earle 48:44
J
Thank you Dr. Porter.
Patrick Porter 48:46
P
Okay. All right tune in anyone you know that is? Maybe having some issues that that are unexplainable. I can tell you I’ve met so many people over the years, that unexplainable problems, and they found out it was something as simple as mold. Once they remediated that mold their body started to heal because it’s designed to do that. So let’s take this one off the list. Please like and share. Get this out to as many people as you can get them to use the code, get them to go there and get that free book. Let’s help the world become mold free and get people healthy again. So again, tune in to the next brain fitness podcast where we’re giving you tips and tricks to improve your brain and your life.
Through physical, mental and spiritual practices. Thank you went a little long, but it was good. So I just kept you going. So I think those were good. So we’ll get this to the team though. They’ll cut it up. They’ll share it with you. We’ll get it out to everybody and once it’s up and going we’ll send an email out to our list of 120,000 users and see if we can drive some business your way. But mostly get them healthy. Right. So will any feedback. Well, I think it was good. I think you did great. Yeah. Great.
Jason Earle 50:01
J
Thank you. Likewise. It’s, I mean, I listen, I love your message. I love your message. i i I loved I was at that ridiculous house. Oh,
Patrick Porter 50:13
P
yeah. Yeah, the big house. Yeah, that was awesome. Yeah.
Jason Earle 50:17
J
I mean, I didn’t even feel like a house. It felt like a like a museum or a library. Like
Patrick Porter 50:21
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Patrick Porter 50:21
P
I said it was more like one of those where they where they turned an industrial building into the like this those little apartments and things because it was like four different houses in one unit to go from one place to the other. It was awesome.
Jason Earle 50:35
J
Yeah, well, but it had like one bedroom. Yeah. Play a comfortable place to chill and kind of chill out you guys had the only sofa I think you know it was it but the view Oh, I mean like you know it was it was next level but but I really love your your message in general. I love the way you talk about us being light beings you know that’s both from a spiritual and also physical perspective. You know, it’s something that seems so woowoo but you look at the reality of biophotons and you know, the the living onion and you know, the glowing onion, right.
Patrick Porter 51:14
P
I was joking when I when I was in the 70s I used to drive around and buy bumper sticker had one of those reverse bumper stickers he looked at me and said You are I am light just remind myself now it’s true. You know before it was just metaphysical you know to have your crystal hanging from the mirror and see the light shining off. You know, now we know that we are light you know in in I think the more we think about these metaphysical concepts becoming reality, it’s like I’m part of quantum University. And you might hear these people like Braden, or Bruce Lipton, or Joe Dispenza, all those people. I mean, they’re just proving out all this metaphysical stuff that when my dad was teaching Silva, everybody thought he was nuts. But now we’re seeing no, this is reality.
You know, the nuts is the other part of it, you know? So I think it’s really important that we share that and now that we have science to back it up, I’d say it as many as much as I can out there just to get people curious because so they can start realizing that we’re energy beings we’re really exchanging energy all the time. And I wasn’t gonna say some about the mitochondria but I say it all the time when you said that the mitochondria you know, it attacks the mitochondria. I mean, all these all these disorders attack the mitochondria. It’s like we got to keep our we got to keep those cells healthy. And this is one of the things so, you know, maybe in six months or so, we’ll do another podcast and we can talk about what happens after mediation and how do you keep your place clean and just keep the information out there going. So
Jason Earle 52:41
J
I have a fun little little story to tell you about the mitochondria if you want to if you have a matter. So so more and more I think about the buildings as an extension of your immune system, like an echo scan or an exoskeleton and, and then then you start to think about lobola the building actually has a lot of the components of an organism. You know, the lungs of the HVAC system and the circulatory system is the plumbing in the nervous system as the as an electrical system. And even if you look at the siding, you know the skin looks a lot like if you look at a cross section the skin and then you get the fat is the insulation and then that’s the studs or the skeleton. And the What’s interesting is that the the the immune system doesn’t seem to be represented in this in this analogy or this metaphor. And then I had notion with the where the immune system that it’s our job to maintain the building, right the building has a birthday and a death day potentially and its longevity is largely driven by how well you take care of it. So that’s our job. And then I realized, well actually we’re like the mitochondria in the building.
We humans are that we’re the power cells, right? That we’re the ones coordinating all the organelles and all this other stuff. And so I found it interesting that animal studies show that mitochondria are damaged in the fruit flies and these and yet when mold affects our building, we’re the ones that are damaged as if we’re the mitochondria in the building. So it kind of reminds me of this in the trench get dolls, those Russian stacking dolls, you know, as above, so below. And so it’s all about microbiome, really. And the microbiome, we have one honest and in us but then there’s also one around us.
And as soon as one of those falls out of balance, the whole thing shifts. So that’s a really fun visual for people to sort of get them more familiar with the fact that you have this intimate relationship with your building, and you might be blind to it now, but again, you know, I like to bring people’s awareness to it so that they’ve started to think Man, Man, I care for this thing. When the building gets sick. I get sick. When the building heals, I heal and so there’s a real symbiosis there. If
Patrick Porter 54:41
P
you like the like, I think I said we they now know every 40 seconds every Dini appear, changes based on everything. I mean, we’re talking about everything from the building to the air. We breathe to whatever it’s changing. It’s either up regulating on genetics every 40 seconds for a different person. So when the mystics said we never step into the same body through biophotonic exchange at the speed of light, we’re changing. And so we in that’s every DNA pair, you know, when you look at the they call it bio fortec exchange in it’s basically that’s why that junk DNA until 2018, they didn’t know that it was changing that rapidly because nobody was looking at it just like the glial Informix system for the brain. They didn’t know we had one before. 2015 They didn’t have any graphics in physiology that she’ll be at a lymph system above our neck, which is in like, impossible, like everywhere.
There’s a blood vessel, there’s a lymph vessel, but they you won’t find anywhere until after 2015 Because it only activates during sleep. So what else do we have in us, like we’re like super human, but we don’t know what we have until somebody activates it or you know what’s going on. So I think that these, you know, we used to not hang out in our caves all day long, right? So we’d get out. We get out, hit the sun, do some coffee and get it out of our lungs and hit the ground and go hunting and searching now we stay in our we stay in our caves all day long. So we have to have to get those caves ready to go. So I appreciate what you’re doing and I’ve wanted to interview you for a long time.
So this will be good to get it out there to our people and you know we’ll share it and I’m a big believer in you know, they have to clear out their environment to be healthy. They’re doing everything else but they just keep going back to it’s almost like going into abusive relationship. You want to have a good relationship but just keep going back to an abusive relationship. You don’t realize it’s harming you because you can’t you don’t think you can get anything better. I mean, I moved my nephew and my daughter out of homes, they were totally sick. And we had a kit come in it was professional though, so it cost you know a lot more money than what you’re talking about. But they got out of their leases, because they showed and reports and said you know we’ll stay here just fix these things and these landlords won’t do it.
They don’t care because there’s it’s there’s there’s the dryer, up into the attic. In the whole thing was just when the guy went up there he goes, Oh my god, he got out of there. He said I’m not going back into a building. That is the worst thing. He’s ever seen. And they saw somebody else moving into it like three days later because they moved down the road. And they saw somebody moving in and you know, they didn’t do any remediation in three days. Yeah,
Jason Earle 57:27
J
no, it’s it’s unbelievable. You know the landlord’s actually, I have another article on the website called up renters playbook. And it’s it’s it’s about the implied warranty of habitability and you know, 49 out of 50 states have have it legal doctrine doesn’t show up in the in the lease, but landlords have an obligation to provide safe and fit housing. And they actually, it doesn’t show up in the lease. So people will think that this is you know, they’re scared to let a landlord know that they’ve got a mold problem. They’re scared of getting kicked out or be penalized, but they can actually pay rent into escrow if they’ve got a mold problem.
And then a there’s there’s mechanisms to protect renters, but most renters aren’t aware, in fact, most lawyers aren’t even aware. So we work with a lot of renters on stuff like this because, you know, they’re there. They’re an unserved market they can’t afford a professional in most cases, unless they’ve got you know, an uncle or, you know, some sort of a benefactor like you to help them guide them through the process. So, you know, this, this disproportionately affects the people that are on the lower end of the socio economic spectrum. You know, and I would argue that this actually perpetuates the poverty cycle, because people can’t think can’t learn, can’t learn, can’t work, can’t work and up doing things like crime in order to pay the bills.
And so you end up with this, this this entire sort of oppressive thing that’s all caused by at the end of the day, the inability to breathe healthier at home. It’s really it’s a it’s a weight on our society that’s profound. And that’s kind of what motivates me right? I really feel like this is a completely preventable thing. You know, and I think anything that’s preventable like this, or this avoidable, like this, through education and awareness, boy, you know, we’re not getting that message out and we’re doing a disservice to humanity. And so I really appreciate you, you and what you do, and you helping us get that message out.
And then also, I guess, I would like to also invite you because we’re going to be doing a podcast I’m doing one called on purpose with Jason Earl, and it’ll be about purpose driven businesses. And so I feel like you are the one of the best examples of that. Your mission driven and purpose driven and so I’d like to at some point, turn the microphone around here and interview you because I feel like I feel like I’ve heard you speak so many times. I feel like I should have been the one interviewing you instead of you interviewing me here.
Patrick Porter 59:37
P
Yeah, if you just reach out to us. It answers all my emails, just say hey, we just had we just had our podcast. Let’s do another one. And she’ll set it up and chill. She has my schedule. I think it’d be great. Yeah, get out there and we can talk about psycho immunology and things like that that beloved that we can upgrade. Yeah, it’d be good.
Jason Earle 59:58
J
Before we jump off, what shows are you doing that? What conferences are you? Are you looking at for it that we’re
Patrick Porter 1:00:04
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gonna be doing here in the fall? You know, Dr. Fadiman Seanie. Have you ever talked with him? No. He was there at our booth, but he’s he used to be the president of Parker university that chiropractic college I mean, Parker college, but he works with us. He does a like a mastermind event down in Florida. So I’m doing that and then we’re going to do be doing Brimhall if you ever do you know John Brimhall. No, we should. We should put you in touch with him. If you remind me in the email too.
I’ll put you in touch with John Brimhall. He’s in Arizona, but he’s really into his doctors. It’s a smaller group. Like there’s only usually 250 to 300 but they do anything John Brimhall says, And he talks about mold and stuff so he should heal. He would be a good one for you to talk to maybe even get him on your podcasts or something like that are in have him he would be a good but he doesn’t allow a lot of people at his conferences. So but he would I could introduce you in I’m sure that they would love what you do because his doctors are all he’s a chiropractor, but he’s more of a biohacker before biohacking was popular before. Asprey came up with a term he was been doing it in the and then we’re going to do Parker college. They do a big one. If you ever been to Parker that the chiropractic event.
They it’s the biggest chiropractic event. I think chiropractors would be really big on this, I think. Yeah, in the we talk to them all the time. So we’re gonna get this out to our 4000 doctors and those are the big ones but you can also say, Hey, give me we share all the time, our Excel of all the shows we’re going to, we can share that with you some urban center done so we won’t share those with you but you know, it’s like anything else. You spend a lot of money over the last 30 years finding out what shows work. We usually try three or four new ones a year just to see and usually two of them are good and two of them we either breakeven or lose a little bit of money on this year. We had four of them that were duds.
I mean the these new events, I think we’re going to start waiting to the second or third year to see if they even last because they they tell you they’re gonna have 4000 people there they they see us like we were the big sponsors of biohacking. So we spend a lot of money and then people go wow, we’re gonna give you this for only $20,000 But that’s not a deal. If there’s only 200 people there or 100 You know, we did an event in LA that he said we could because it was so bad.
He said we’re gonna give you the next one free, but we don’t need I don’t think there’s gonna be an excellent so it’s like we just paid that money and because that was the guarantee if we don’t get this many people sometimes I’ll say I don’t mind paying if there’s that many people because we know we’re gonna get them in the chairs and they’re gonna like it, they’re gonna buy it. But if you don’t like that was a good show there in Vegas. I mean, there was we did over $200,000 Now Dave’s been we do 600,000 I mean, it’s a really awesome show. I mean, we just can’t we and we still didn’t see everybody. We had 20 and 50 people on our list and didn’t get on the chairs. I mean, it’s like they they’re just biohackers are really big, you know? Yeah. So you’ll you’ll
Jason Earle 1:03:13
J
still you’ll see you’ll stay on with Dave
Patrick Porter 1:03:17
P
Yeah. There’s another event going on at the same time as his that we’re trying to figure out how to do both because we like both of them. In apparently Dave’s being a real asshole with people so, but he’s always been really good to us.
Jason Earle 1:03:28
J
So ya know, Dave’s one of my early investors and so I have a real conflict because the stuff that he’s doing with moving dates to two people over
Patrick Porter 1:03:38
P
why, I mean, I always go out of my way, and by the way we do we do an event. Or we have my friend owns the Virgin in in Vegas, the casino, and he’s a brain temper too and we’re talking to him about doing any bet there with all of our doctors. And maybe this year, we’ll invite all of our end users. So we’ve definitely invite you anybody who’s been on my podcast, I invite you to, you know, to been there and
Jason Earle 1:04:06
J
stay whenever I go to Vegas. Really? Yeah, yeah.
Patrick Porter 1:04:09
P
Brian Roche is one of the owners. He was a he was uh, he played for the San Diego Chargers and that he was a tight end. He’s really good. But he’s, he’s a really super guy. And he was unfortunately out of town this last time because I was trying to get tickets to the fight on Saturday night. Usually can always get them because you got to ask me more than three days in advance, you know, so, but yeah, well, we’ll keep in touch and we’ll we’ll let you know what’s going on. So in will get this out in I think what we were also putting together a site that has all my all my recommended stuff.
And when somebody we’re going to have on our when somebody’s using the app if they say they don’t know what’s going on with them. This will be one of the products we will recommend that they go check out because they a lot of people don’t know what’s going on with them or they’ve been all over and they can’t figure it out. And that’s when I one of the first things I always tell them is you already checked your air your water your you know your environment because you can’t fix that from the inside out. I mean, you can’t I guess if you’re an Ascended Master or something. If you’re just a normal human like me, you got to you got to have the best stuff around you to do you know why spend all that I tell people they go I meet people that smoke not not as much anymore but they go in my mind so powerful. I can smoke it doesn’t hurt me. I go, why waste all that energy?
Why not smoke? I mean, what’s what’s smoking doing for you? I mean, unless you’re getting high. I mean, why would you? I mean, you’re not getting anything from the cigarette that I know, you know, so it’s like I can understand people maybe you know, doing marijuana every once in a while or something like Yeah, but what do you get out of cigarettes? I just never got that. You know, but I was an athlete so I wasn’t a smoker. So you know, they I know they get addicted because I used to have stop smoking clinics and we see them every day. I’m gonna like my brain. I’m going What are you doing this for you?
Jason Earle 1:05:53
J
I don’t get it. That’s a kryptonite. Right? You gotta get the night out before you start to before you start thinking you’re gonna compete in the weightlifting competition, right? I mean, doesn’t make any sense. Well, listen, this is a this is an uncommon pleasure. I’m grateful to be connected finally and to, you know, be be moving forward. What so is there anything before I before I go, I’d like to just ask you this. Is there any any challenges in your business, any gaps in your business that you’re struggling with that I can keep my radar up for to be able to help in your efforts?
Patrick Porter 1:06:25
P
We’re just trying to get as many people to get brain fitness as possible, you know, just share it out there. So I’d love to be on your podcast. That’s the biggest thing is the more we can get out there. You know, we’re we have a lot of presents. I usually do four or five podcasts a week. So just want to keep that going. And, you know, I don’t think you can there’s so many people out there struggling right now that we can’t stop you know, it’s it’s got to, they don’t realize there’s these solutions that are coming on CNN, you know that that’s the big thing is that you don’t have to I want to my big mission is you don’t have to take it in a pill. You know that to be a pillar of potion.
You’re, you have what’s inside of you, you know, to do it as far as brain fitness goes. And then, you know, we’re big, we’re big believers in the environmental, you know, thing too, so I think it’s it’s a whole package. You know, so for me, you know, we’re always just looking for more, more, more clinics to get into will help us share the message. We’re getting ready to open up India. We’re our partner owns the cricket League, and they also own 95% of Bollywood. So it’s going to be big. I mean, we got a lot of stuff going on. The I love India, too. I mean, I just got researcher the year last year in India. So yeah, we we proved out that pranayama breathing can do the same. I mean, we can do the same thing. It’s part of our brain.
They’ve been around a long time and then a lot more than we have. But what we showed is you could do pranayama breathing three times a day and it will match the frontal lobes. And then we showed you could do 10 minutes of break out to do the same thing. We’re just and that got us because we were trying to prove out ancient traditions and modern technology. And we have the ear of Ames, India, which is like their MIT, there’s six, six universities and they’re all doing studies with us. So it’s we’re gonna get over there and do it. So you know, the biggest thing we’re doing is if you find anybody that’s really talented, that’s looking for work then we’re always looking for talented people to come on board and maybe work with us. You know, what
Jason Earle 1:08:18
J
kind of work what kind of what kind of talent right
Patrick Porter 1:08:20
P
now we’re we’re probably going to need somebody with operations. We just lost our CFO. We had to get rid of him because he was doing some nefarious things, which I find is pretty crazy. When you’re in the field of helping people to you know, there’s still idiots out there that think they can circumvent the, you know, I’m a big believer and you do the work and the money will follow. You know, and it’s always worked for me over the last 40 years. So I’m not going to change that. He there’s no shortcuts. You got to do the work, you know, so that’s, that’s why people go I can’t believe you’re at your own booth.
I go, Well, why wouldn’t I be you know, that’s where the people are, you know. I’m not gonna hang up in my room and you know, wait till I get my chance to talk now. If I was being somebody was attacking me or something, I would do that but I think that I don’t have to worry about that because they don’t believe we have a mind. So we’re all right. You know if it was a pillar of potion, I might be in trouble. But,
you know, as long as I’m dealing with the human thought, I think people there, most of them don’t realize how powerful they are. And we just need to keep reminding them that they have this powerful process inside them. But anybody you know that I mean, we’re always looking for gifted people. You know, if you find somebody that’s especially organizational kind of people
Jason Earle 1:09:41
J
that good well that I will keep my radar up for that. Because I you know, this is the way it works with me is that people are always you know, this this reciprocity is is what makes the world go round. So, all right, sounds good. Right. Right. Thank you very much.
Patrick Porter 1:09:57
P
Thank you. We’re gonna get this out. Thank you. Well, bye. Bye.
Jason Earle 1:10:00
J
Merry Christmas.
Patrick Porter 1:10:01
P
Merry Christmas. Yes.
