Podcast Transcript
Bioenergetics Beat Podcast
Wed, Jan 10, 2024 4:18PM 38:13
SUMMARY KEYWORDS
mold, test, lyme, years, building, feeling, sample, nikki, inspection, frequency, house, giveaway, inspector, sick, molds, spores, lab, depression, air, work
SPEAKERS
Heather Gray, Jason Earle
Heather Gray 00:00
H
Hi thank you so much for joining us on another awesome episode of bioenergetic beats. I’m Heather Gray, a Functional Diagnostic Nutrition practitioner, and certified bioenergetic practitioner. And this episode is brought to you today by Nikki unleashed the wellness within. It’s a non evasive, easily affordable and highly effective approach to optimize wellness. It’s a wearable device that puts frequency better based life in your hands and on your wrist. And make sure to stick around to the very end, because we’ve got two awesome giveaways this episode, so you’re not going to want to miss out.
But let’s give everybody a warm welcome to Mr. Jason Earle, the founder of GOT MOLD?. He’s our special guest today and a good friend. And I’m just super excited to get on here with him and pick his brain and learn about everything that he’s doing. Because most folks with Lyme disease, other chronic illnesses also have issues with mold. And this is a huge barrier to health. And so it’s so important that we tackle this conversation. And he’s got such a beautiful, eloquent, simplistic way of kind of dealing with this and finding out if you’ve got issues with mold. So before I give away the whole show, let’s welcome Jason to the show.
Jason Earle 01:16
J
Thanks for having me. Absolutely. Good to be here.
Heather Gray 01:19
H
Absolutely. So hey, I would love for you to give our audience just a little bit of background because most of us don’t get into Lyme or mold without some sort of a story attached to it. Because it’s really complex, crappy stuff to deal with, if you’re not right, touched by it. So once you give us a little bit of background on how you got started in this,
Jason Earle 01:39
J
yeah, thank you. Hello, and thanks again for having me. Excuse me. So, you hit the nail on the head, the the people that are doing the best work in this space mold lyme. And many of this sort of marginalized or somewhat nebulous disease profiles tend to be people that have personal experience that have navigated through it. Have you experienced all the potholes and pitfalls and then find that through that experience, they are then useful to the world and then oftentimes actually change careers and find that this is actually their purpose. And so I like to think that you mine your history for future gold really, you know, like your history is often the thing that gives you the insights that you need to be able to sort of navigate the future. And that seems sort of like a, you know, the philosophical meandering, but, but I think a lot of times people are trying to find their, their, their, their, their purpose in life.
And all they have to do is really look in the rearview mirror. So I’m no exception to that. So when I was about four years old, I lost a lot of weight in a three year period. And my parents took me to the pediatrician who said they should really take him to Children’s Hospital. This looks serious. And so an hour away Children’s Hospital Philadelphia and a renowned respiratory clinic, my parents took me there and the first diagnosis was based on my my symptoms and my family history was cystic fibrosis. And this is devastating to my father in particular because he lost four of his cousins to see up before the age of 14. So he This was their worst nightmare. This is literally what they had been worried about that they were carriers.
And here they got their only child with a death sentence. And so they waited six weeks for a second opinion, which thankfully, contradicted the initial diagnosis. I don’t have CF, never had CF. Actually what I had was asthma compounded by pneumonia and I was when they tested me for allergies was one of my formative experiences they put you in a papoose or like a straitjacket for toddlers. And then drug the grid on your back and then test you with these antigens. And then my dad said, I looked like a ladybug, just a big red swollen back with dots all over it and I tested positive for every single thing that they tested me for. So I essentially live on inhalers and they were very crude back then. It was like powder. It was like a pill he broke into a powder. It’s very weird. And so I lived on these inhalers until I was about 12. At which point my folks split up and I moved out of that house and all my symptoms went away. And I never thought about it again until fast forward after I had, by the way.
So my folks, I moved down when I was 12. When I was 14, my mother committed suicide and that same home, which is actually relevant for the story, and then when I when I was 15, I was diagnosed with Lyme disease. So I’ve kind of had it all. And then I was essentially forced to drop out of high school and that’s another story for another podcast, but I ended up being recruited from the gas station to go work on Wall Street by a guy who was commuting and did that for eight and a half years and then one day I woke up and I wasn’t having fun anymore after the.com bubble burst and I decided to go on walkabout and I put 20 pounds of stuff in it. backpack and when I went on a voyage, and while I was away, I ended up in Hawaii for a spell. And I was reading local newspapers, with a lot of time on my hands.
And I was reading a story about a guy who’d gotten sick from the hotel where he was an employee, he blamed the mold in the building. And he developed adult onset asthma, which is something I never even heard of at the time, as well as all these allergies to things that he’d never had a problem with. And I thought, I wonder if we had a mold problem, I wonder if that was what was, you know, this is like, my life and reverse. And so I called my dad from a payphone which probably isn’t there anymore. And asked him if he thought we had mold problem. And he just laughed at me. He goes, of course, he had mold, you know, in mushrooms in the basement.
Why do you ask? And, and I said, Well, do you think that’s what made me sick? And he goes, Well, I couldn’t help. You know, to know my dad is love them, you know, they both smoked in the house, you know, in the car with the windows closed with an asthmatic kid not for lack of love, lack of awareness, right, it’s just that was the 70s parent, you know, be thrown in the back of the pickup truck seat belts, and we don’t need this. And it’s a little bit of a different story these days.
But I but it was, it was very clear to me in that moment, I had sort of a lightbulb moment or an epiphany, where I just became fascinated with this idea that the buildings that we live in work in can actually cause you illness that can make you sick. And years later, I would actually realize that it’s not just the buildings that can make you sick, buildings can actually allow you to heal, right. So that’s the adverse of that, that’s the positive, the pike the cupping, half full. It’s not just to make you sick, but healthy building can actually facilitate healing. And that’s a really important Upshot, and this whole thing, so I ended up taking that lightbulb moment, which has literally illuminated me for the last year in my path for the last 20 years.
And came back to New Jersey armed with some curiosity, and took a job working for a mold remediation company. Actually, technically, it was a basement waterproofing company doing mold remediation. And within within minutes, I saw that they were essentially a bunch of thugs and that they were often causing the buildings to be less healthy using a lot of chemicals, instead of cleaning properly. Ripping stuff out without proper containment. This is before there was any sort of regulations got public guidance or industry standards. So this is very much Wild Wild West, and decided to start an inspection company at night. And I was essentially doing it for free at first to help people navigate the this whole issue to help protect them from the contractors because they saw the contractors as an unnecessary enemy, really, they were really doing bad work. But they were also the only ones doing that work. And so I needed to be able to help shuttle people through that process in a way that protected them.
And that company where we pioneered the use of mold sniffing dogs, believe it or not, that gives a lot of national attention. And that became 1-800-GOT-MOLD? the Mold Inspection Company. And then over the years that inspection company, which was really geared towards high end, single family, homeowners, you know, it’s cost prohibitive for most renters to hire a professional inspector, which is part of the problem. That always bothered me, because my parents could not have afforded to hire a professional mold inspector. And so so a number of years ago, I put together a dream team of scientists and engineers to find a way to create a high quality at home test kit that would allow people to test their error without the cost or hassle associated with trying to find the hire professional. And they’re the introduces the got mold test kit, which is what what we’re completely focused on now. Which is where through got mold gmail.com, we focus on giving people the tools and knowledge they need to make better decisions about their they breathe.
Heather Gray 08:26
H
That’s incredible. And I’ve heard that from so many folks of still being taken for 1000s and 1000s of dollars from these very, very crooked companies. And it leaves you know, and a lot of chronically sick people to begin with are already fighting through so much brain fog, right? So much fatigue, you know, and then to fight these people who we think that we can trust. In a lot of times, they make things 10 times worse. So it’s kind of funny, not funny how much our stories are so similar, like me and my kid were in a house where I had two suicide attempts in that house and my kid, two suicide attempts in that house.
And then once we moved out, Oh, wow. No more suicidal thoughts. Wow. So, you know, the people in that house enclosed a hot tub with drywall, and carpet. And then we went in. I didn’t know any better we went in and we did the demo ourselves. So there was no content there. Yeah, we did nothing properly. So it was no wonder that we were so freakin sick when we were living in that house. You know, hindsight is 2020 And then I was diagnosed with Lyme around right around the same time that you were so and parents who smoked in the house and smoked in the car and so it’s funny how all these things you know, fit together like the little puzzle pieces that they are that lead to these, you know, health big health things going forward. Amazing. Thank you. And well, I’m kind of glad we had this on speaker view.
So when you were telling the story about your cousin’s like, you couldn’t see me cry like you’re not supposed to make me cry on my podcast. But I appreciate your vulnerability and actually sharing the whole story like it’s beautiful. And I didn’t know that part about you and I, you know, I fell in love with you the first time I talked with you and now I’m even more in love with you because it’s just somebody who’s as vulnerable and real and showing up for all the right reasons. There’s just not enough people like that in the world. So God bless you.
Jason Earle 10:15
J
feelings mutual, you know, I mean, I see the way you post on social, you’re very, very vulnerable. And, you know, I think the world needs more of that. And so I applaud, I applaud that. Bless you. Awesome.
Heather Gray 10:25
H
Hey, this is a great time, we’re going to take just a little quick break. When we come back, we’re going to get into the nuts and bolts of the at home test kit that he talked about that he’s created and why it works and all that fun stuff. So stay tuned. And also, you’re not going to want to miss out on the giveaway. So don’t go anywhere. We’ll be right back. There’s a new word for wellness. Nikki. Nikki bioenergetic wearable designed to help you feel better, and perform better.
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Fantastic. Welcome back. If you missed the first half, you missed a beautiful inspiring story, I highly recommend you go back and listen to it. And let’s dive in deeper. Mr. Jason. So tell us a little bit more about your at home test how you came about, like how it works all the funds ins and outs?
Jason Earle 12:19
J
Sure, thing. So if you want to have your house tested for mold, currently, you’d have to hire a professional. In order to get reliable results. Usually, reputable professionals will come in and perform a physical inspection of the building, you know, top to bottom inside outside looking for signs of mold, moisture problems, past present and also things that they can do to prevent it. And then afterwards, once they’ve identified the areas of concern, they’ll usually bring out some test equipment, some air sampling equipment, usually that involves an air sampling pump. And usually on a tripod kind of looks like a alien invader. And they use these air sampling cassettes.
Those are known as spore traps. And so they look like this for your audio participants. They’re just these precision engineered plastic cylinders that within it within each one contains a special piece of it, he adesive slide really, air gets pulled through by the air sampling pump into the cassette. And it captures the spores captures also pollen and dust and other background debris. But we’re focusing on spores. And so you collect these you collect an outside air sample could because our spores, that all the spores in your house should actually come from outside. If you’ve got unusual amounts and types of mold indoors, that means that this growing indoors usually. And so we take an outside air sample to establish a baseline or a reference for your particular geographic area. And then you collect samples on the inside.
So what we decided to do, and these get analyzed at a third party laboratory, so they get shipped off and they get analyzed. And then you get a report that shows you the types of mold found what quantities and
Heather Gray 14:07
H
well don’t remember like why is it why is it important for those new to this world? Why is it important to have a third party verified?
Jason Earle 14:15
J
Good question? Well, so you know, as with most industries, where, especially when it comes to environmental hazards, you want to have a sort of a Chinese wall between the providers of different services, because the profit motive creates conflicts of interest and also ulterior motives, right? So if you’re in the business of finding something that you also get paid to clean up. And then also if you’re you’re then also testing your own work to then verify that it’s been complete in order to get paid. You can imagine there’s some room for abuse there, right? And so, in all cases of where there’s environmental hazard cleanup, whether it be lead paint, asbestos, underground storage tanks, it doesn’t matter really. At any mature industry where environmental hazards are being dealt with, you’ll see that there’s a clear dividing line between the inspectors and the assessors. And usually the labs are separate too.
And, and that’s to prevent these kinds of abuses, so we’ve always taken that high road approach through 1- 800-GOT-MOLD? inspection business, we’ve never had any financial relationships with many contractors and never did our analysis on any of those things. So we can maintain the 30,000 foot view and have and just do what we do and give unbiased advice. Same thing goes with a test kit, we don’t actually. So explain how the test kit works in a minute. And then, but to we don’t sell names, we don’t turn we don’t we don’t sell leads, we this information is completely private and confidential. So when someone buys our test kit, that data is theirs. And then we house it, and we protect it, and we allow them to share it at will. But we don’t share it with anyone else ever. Not even with permission. So it’s not was not what we do. So what we decided to do was take the same methods that professionals use, and shrink it down. And, and make it easy for them to to take that first step in the comfort and safety of their own home without having to get permission from other people without having to borrow money without having to worry about someone coming in and taking samples and then taking data that you don’t understand and using it against being used being used against you, which is a very, very common problem where unscrupulous inspectors will take especially from ERMI ERMI tests are notoriously high.
And ERMI will then an ERMI test this high will trigger another inspection oftentimes in unnecessary remediation, lots of unnecessary demolition, and oftentimes unnecessary medical treatments. ERMI is notoriously high, and Jen and generates a tremendous amount of revenue and follow ups. And what we find is that I’ve done 1000s of inspections personally, and I’ve been, I’ve been investigated hundreds and hundreds of ERMI. And I’ve only found a small percentage of them to actually be reflective of the actual environment. So in other words, I was
unable to verify that was with using mold sniffing dogs, infrared thermal imaging cameras, laser particle counters, if I can’t find mold in a building, nobody’s finding it. And and I was unable to verify 80% or more of ERMI of higher ERMIes over
Heather Gray 17:20
H
course of it, because that’s kind of the industry standard of testing right now. Like all these Facebook groups, anyone talks about what’s the most reliable, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and ERMI is getting slammed everywhere. And you’re saying,
Jason Earle 17:33
J
science, junk science. Now, we can listen, I can I can, I wrote an article about this the truth about RMA and we can put it in the show notes. This is a 20 year old test based on genomics. I can’t think of any industry that’s that’s that’s improved more that’s evolved more than genomics in the last 20 years. And yet this is a quote unquote, test that literally is the same science as 20 years ago. It doesn’t make any sense. It’s also looked at 36 molds. 36 species 26 of them are supposed to be outdoor, supposed to be indicative of of a problem. And 10 are considered to be you know, baseline or outcome and background. 26 species now there’s 100,000 species, right, and about 1000 are known to grow indoors.
And, and this these 26 species were actually were determined by a small test done with on 37 homes. In Ohio 20 years ago, not a geographically dispersed examination of common molds found in buildings in all of the different climates throughout the United States. It’s literally from a tiny little town in Ohio, they looked at 37 homes, and grab some samples, ask people if they thought that if they had symptoms, and they parted, they just did that and that became the basis for a research tool.
ERMIes is not a test. By the way. It’s a research tool that was developed by the EPA. And that ultimately was used in a 1100 homes and hud EPA study. That’s what validated that test. But it didn’t validate the test it simply it validated the research tool, such that it became something that was available at laboratories. But it is not truly a test. It is a research tool. And it’s also a compound sample, they tell you to collect samples from two different rooms and put them together, which is just on its face Dumb I mean, if you went to the doctor and took a biopsy, you wouldn’t take two biopsies from two different parts of the body or two from people put them into one sample sent it out to lab for analysis, then you what what relevance with that data have, right? So I can take ERMI to the mat and slice it to ribbons because it doesn’t have any substance. It doesn’t truly have any end. It’s always high. And if you talk to people who use it all the time, and you say that and they go Yeah, well, we don’t really use the interpretation of it.
Well, then what are you doing? ERMI, so great. Why do you have to use it differently than the way it’s been designed? And yeah, you know, so it’s complete junk science. Also, it’s been hijacked by Richie Schumacher and Richie, you know He’s done some great stuff. He’s done some important research. But just if you listen to his current talks, he says everything he was teaching back in 2010 was wrong. And yeah, he was very didactic about that at the time. If you didn’t agree with him, boy, you Yeah, he was going to run you over. And so, you know, and he and by the way, he also, you know, reputed to potentially have ownership in the labs that he promotes, but then it denies that.
So, you know, the whole thing is kind of smelly. And it’s and it’s and in the whole industry that focus on mycotoxins is focusing on the wrong thing because mold produces a lot of different chemicals when it’s growing, produces musty smell, which is known to be neurotoxic. Some molds produce microtoxins but only about 100 species and about a dozen of worthy of note out of the 100,000 and to focus on microtoxins to say that the other mold growing in your home would not cause illness doesn’t make sense.
But because you can’t test for Micro, you can’t test for those other compounds in the body. There’s no way to know if you’re detoxing from those compounds in the body. And so the whole functional, the whole functional medicine field is focused on the microtoxins because you can measure them and test them. The problem with that is that most of the microtoxins exposure that people are measuring is actually coming from food. It’s not coming from the air. And yet there’s this people rip their houses apart.
And they’re and they’re paying six or $8,000 to for unscrupulous inspectors to come in and swab their toilets and do crazy stuff using ERMI by the way, and then spend $100,000 to tear their house apart to find mold that doesn’t exist, because they are eating it because it’s coming from the restaurants and their pantry and all the snack foods and refined carbohydrates and conventional meats because they’re fed moldy grains, these, these these these farm animals, and that that is not being discussed, the food part is very rarely discussed. And so so what we decided to do circling back to the test kit is we decided to create a very low cost high quality way for people to test their air using professional quality devices. And so when you buy our test kits, you can test one two or three rooms using the same device the professionals use, but we create an air sampling pump that costs a lot less than 1000 All calibrated pump, the cassettes go fit neatly onto the pump they run for five minutes.
When they’re done you take the sample the cassette back off you put it in a prepaid return mailer goes to our lab number one lab in the world and and they do the analysis and then within three business days, you get a nicely formatted color coded report with a green yellow, orange or red indicator explaining what was found. Also the details of what scores were found in what quantities and then the third page includes next steps. So how to find a qualified inspector in your area how to find a qualified multimeter in your area on ebook, which has an inspection, a bunch of inspection checklists to let people sort of do their own inspection if they’re not ready to find an hire professional. So in other words, we don’t just leave you with data you know, we give you some sort of a launching point Launchpad from which you can then continue your your healing journey. Absolutely
Heather Gray 22:52
H
incredible. Like why you were in there in the middle of that rant, which was so beautiful, the way you tied everything together. I had never heard this stuff about ERMI’s . I kind of always had my suspicions with Schumacher, especially anybody who’s sometimes can be that frickin dogmatic and so complicated, like the way he was doing things were so complicated.
The way I overcame mold was you know, colas tyramine deal with the Micro the MAR cons and some, you know, detox sauna, right coffee enemas, stuff like that. And, his protocol had a tendency to be really convoluted at times. And I felt like it needed to be so difficult, but so thank you. I wanted to stand up and go, Can I get an amen? Like that was That was beautiful. Thank you for that.
Jason Earle 23:33
J
Yeah, before we go, I want to talk about the depression thing. I think this is a big deal. Do we have a minute? Absolutely. Okay. So what in 2008 Brown University did a study. And they were actually trying to debunk another study that was done in Oxford University that had found some relationship between mold and dampness indoors and depression. And so they put this this, this, this, they designed this study with 6000 participants, it was a, they asked people basically, do you have any known mold issues in your building, in the building that you live in?
And also, they did a quality of life survey. So they asked him basically, how are you feeling? You know, do you have any mold and how are you feeling? And what they found was a very strong correlation between mold and dampness indoors and depression. And that at the time, they were unable to connect the dots and say, you know, this causes depression, mold causes depression, right? That’s a big, that’s a big leap. But they found a strong correlation, or a strong connection. And they weren’t the thing that they weren’t clear on whether or not it was circumstantial, like someone who says they know of a mold problem, but they haven’t been able to fix it. That’s pretty disempowering, right? If you know you’re living in mold, you’re probably feeling like maybe, like I said disempowered.
And so that’s pretty depressing, or was there a chemical relationship there, but there was the chemistry of a mold problem in a building a causal right. And so the study stopped there, but if careers of course that piqued my curiosity. A few years later, I was fortunate enough to meet Dr. Joan Bennett at Rutgers University and she’s a fungal geneticist. She had a house down in New Orleans in the area that was flooded during Hurricane Katrina. She happened to have taken a job at Rutgers University. She used to teach it to Elaine down in New Orleans.
But she took a job up there right at the time that Hurricane Katrina came in. So she was up north when it happened, but she knew her house was affected. So being a good scientist, she decided to go down and check out her house and she, she threw a respirator in and 95 respirator that protects you from spores, and microtoxins because by the way, microtoxins do not float around in the air by themselves, they float around on dust particles, they float on on spores. So you have to have high spore counts to have a high microtoxins exposure in the building. If it’s building related, otherwise, you’re eating it. Okay, this is microtoxins are not easy to breathe in, believe it or not, not in large quantities. She went down there, where it with proper protective equipment, and a bag full of petri dishes to sample her house, she went into all these pictures and within minutes of walking in, she could smell the smell of the building. Even though she was wearing proper protective equipment, she could smell it and within minutes, she became ill and within and she had to leave and she was sick for like two weeks.
Now, here’s a woman who testified in court in defense of insurance companies, which she now regrets talking about, about the the you can’t inhale that many microtoxins , she knows the science on this, that’s why she were there. But here she got sick in her own building. And so she went back and said, Geez, you know, I gotta figure this out. So she identified that she was getting sick from the smell. And so she went back and started looking at the musty smell, which by the way, all molds produce when they actively grow only some molds produce microtoxins and only sometimes, and only a small number of them a rounding error in the total number of species honestly. And yet, all molds produce this musty smell. So she went back to the lab and began testing this smell, look figuring out what’s in it. And she took one compound one, often three, which is actually the mushroom alcohol. And you would know the smell. So the musty smell, if you will. And she began exposing fruit flies that are specially engineered to fluoresce when they produce dopamine, and these amazing what you can buy online, right.
And so she began testing these, these these fruit flies, and she found that they stopped producing dopamine, which means a potential became depressed, they stopped reproducing that so you know, I mean, one of the first signs of depression, right? It was your sex drive well, so fruit flies due to, they began flying down and set it to light. So they lost their directional navigation, they lost their intuition, really, they lost their instinctive drive. And they also developed local motor disorder, which she called Parkinsonian. Like symptoms is the way she described it.
And later studies found that they develop mitochondrial disorders. And of course, premature death. So here we go, is you know, she identified in animal studies, that mold causes depression. And so suddenly, that brings full circle for me, right? And suddenly, they all ask that makes sense. And, you know, yes, my mother was an alcoholic, but who, what came first, the chicken or the egg? Right? And what was she medicating against? Right. And it’s ironic that the very thing that makes us sick is the thing that keeps us in the building that’s making us sick, this happens all the time, too, right? You become crippled by this, and then you can’t leave your building, but the building’s what’s making you sick, right.
So this is why it’s important to have these kinds of conversations, because people need to be able to recognize that they may very well be stewing in the in the source of their of their disease, and that they needed to make changes and change when you’re feeling this way is very hard. But it’s also very necessary. And so you know, I always say if you see something, smell something or feel something, do something. And oftentimes, that may mean changing locations, changing your environment to test and see if you’re feeling better. If you’re feeling better, you are the best Mold Test, I sell them all test. That’s my business, right? But that’s what pays my bills. But that’s not really what I do.
I sell knowledge and awareness, I provide the insights, if you will, so that people can navigate this very, very natural thing. We all live in buildings and breathe air. You know, we live in a water planet, of which 30% is the biomass is fungi. We live on water, we live on a mole planet, really. So you can’t get away from this, but you have to learn how to navigate it, you know, and so, but you are that you are an exquisite precision, you exquisite array of integrated precision sensors, and and I encourage people to trust their intuition on these things, and then get the data, you know. So on that note 110%
Heather Gray 29:38
H
You know, and that’s how, you know, that’s why I love this tech as much as I do is because they actually have a frequency that’s helping balance your body to help facilitate detox right to help facilitate the inflammatory response that comes along with a lot of this mold because, you know, the research out there what is it like over 50% of buildings are water damaged? And then if you’re a person eating grains, right and conventional, you know, animals, you’re gonna get mold, and what are you supposed to do live in a bubble, you know, there’s ways to mitigate your exposure.
But then sometimes we have to be able to live in this world that we’re in right now. And that’s why I love these types of tools that are coming out these days to help support and balance and kind of give you a little bit of a leg up, you know, because like I said, if you’ve got genes like myself, you know, where I do not detox mold properly. And that’s part of the reason why it led to such health issues. It just helps level the playing field out a little bit because things have gotten really array. So thank you so much. That was God, that was just amazing. I’ve got goosebumps.
So Mr. Jason is giving away a kit to one of our lucky listeners. And we’re also giving away a free Nicky device to one of our lucky listeners. So you’ll want to make sure to go to the show notes and learn how to registered for that giveaway. You don’t want to miss out. Well, first off, actually, Jason, where can we find you at?
Jason Earle 31:01
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Sure. So we actually created a welcome page for your listeners @gotmold.com/bio energetics. And so I’ll repeat that @gotmold.com/bioenergetics. And in there, you’ll find a link to the ebook I mentioned before, which is 46 pages of inspection checklists, and FAQs. And it’s really helpful for people that are early in their mold awareness journey. If you use this and navigate and do an inspection in your house, you’ll be amazed at things you learn. And then also there’s a coupon code there beat 10 which enables your listeners to get 10% off of any kits if they if they want to pursue that @gotmold.com.
And then if anybody has any questions, there’s a few different ways to do questions. I always almost always have an open question on Instagram. So Instagram @gotmold and also, similarly, you can go right to our homepage. And there’s a question: there’s a field at the bottom of the website. And people ask questions there. And so I don’t see all them but I but I see all of them. I don’t answer all of them. But but so we’re totally available. This is what we do. You know, like I said, we saw a test kit but really we’re more of an education company that happens to that happens to to sell the test kits help you quantify this,
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I highly recommend you follow him on Instagram, the information he’s putting out there the education the other people that he’s collaborating with, you know, I’ve seen you do a lot of podcast with, you know Kashif from the DNA company, which I’m a huge fan of, I actually run that lab on quite a few different people myself, especially looking into the genetics of why people aren’t detoxing mold properly.
So you’re just doing some amazing things with some incredible people, so highly recommend following him. Also make sure to visit we are nikki.com/podcast and enter in bio beats for 10% off and Nikki. And then like I said, just check out the show notes for you know how to get a hold of Jason proud to get a hold of us and then to also make sure that you get involved in the drawing and the free giveaway. It’s close to that. I mean, what’s your kit run 300 bucks, 300 bucks, and then the Nikki’s around 300 bucks. That’s a $600 giveaway on listening to this podcast, so you’ll definitely want to check out the show notes.
Always so exciting to read off the names to the winners of the December Nikki podcast contest. We got Kim Morissette, Jennifer N. Klein. Gauthier. I’m so sorry if I’m butchering your name. And then all we have is a first name, we got Miss Alice. So congratulations to the winner. Make sure to keep listening for your chance to enter and hopefully I’ll be reading your names next month. Thank you so much again for your time. I so appreciate you. Thank you, Heather. Absolutely. Hey, and everybody else makes sure to have a healthy day.
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Nikki plus line is the next generation of wave one technology referred to in his testimony.
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I was diagnosed with Lyme 18 years ago, when my two sons were diagnosed by a lyme, Clinic in California, the entire family was asked to be tested. And so that’s when I found out I had lyme. And it made a lot of sense why I was struggling so much with my health. nerve pain, a lot of neuropathy is everywhere, gut issues, brain fog, that I felt like maybe I was in a stage of dementia. It was that scary. And I worked in a public school and so I was around little kids all the time. And I thought that’s a good thing. I’m with little kids, because if I had to really be at the top of my game, I would not be there. In fact, that’s one of the reasons I retired just a little bit early from the school district was I just felt like I didn’t quite have a grasp on my day, and the ability to learn the tasks to have enough energy to get through the day, it was pretty scary for me. And I did some treatment with antibiotics and lots of naturopathic help.
And so I was able to kind of skate by a little bit with feeling somewhat okay, but never a quality of life that I knew I was capable of. And so when I had the ability to be in the lyme trial and wear a device that helped with lyme frequency, the headline frequencies, I was a little skeptical. I just thought there, all the antibiotics haven’t worked. All the work, I’ve done all the body work all the acupuncture, Chinese herbs, the chiropractor, probably, I would say 18 ,20, maybe 25 different practitioners I’ve seen. So I started wearing a device that had Lyme frequencies. And I felt like, well, I’m not feeling anything.
My goodness, I don’t really feel much different. But I had 30 Day check-ins for one half of a year. And after each 30 days, I filled out a questionnaire. I thought, oh, oh, I do feel a little different. I do notice, I do notice things. And it was pretty exciting. By the time, six months ended, I could really feel that I was feeling better, energetic, kind of back to my old personality, my family noticed a difference, my friends noticed a difference. I felt engaged again, and my sense of humor is back and my sweep is stabilized. I would say my anxiety level is about half what it used to be. I mean, what is all that worth?
I don’t think you can put a price on it. And the other thing I’d like to say about this is that I have a neighbor who have been very concerned about such play headlines. And so she would see me out in the yard wearing this device. And it sparked a conversation. And the conversation became, oh my gosh, let’s talk about Lyme and what that looks like. And she then went to her doctor and got tested and as positive for lyme. So I really count that device as opening conversations that otherwise I really couldn’t. I didn’t have permission to buy people. There’s so much resistance, so much resistance about talking about these kinds of things. And somehow that made it really safe to have a conversation and it sparked a lot of curiosity. And I would often have people ask me what I was wearing, what for and how’s it going? I’m just so grateful.
